"OH MY G**D"

[plainsgirl_PREV (deleted)]

Hey everyone..women AND men..I am truly sorry for anything I may have said if anyone was hurt by anything on these posts...That certainly wasn't my intention when I wrote the first post. It came from my own frustration based on what I was seeing and my own experience. Women if any of you read that and thought I was talking about you, I was not talking about...one, in particular. But I will say in all hoesty that if the description fits then I am seriously concerned about you here..this is not a family reunion, it is the internet. And men if any felt disrespected or belittled then I do apologize for my part as well. I never would have wanted to imply anything that would cause even more divison. I see where the grace in my communication at times may have a lot to be desired. Peace..

[ravenwoman_PREV (deleted)]

`Plainsgirl I think you neednt apologize. We have a right to speak freely I think. Nobody is being flamed. Opinions have a place here. I teased about ripped abs... but really I often feel like I am being looked at for physical flaw, which at my age, isnt at all fair. This body has mileage on it.... it isnt going to be perfection... yeah I have b--bs I could flash but... shouldnt that be more personal? Maybe I am just a prude. I want to be seen as a human FIRST... b--bs can come out later... make sense?

[plainsgirl_PREV (deleted)]

Hey my dear!!! Thanks for comment..but my thing is that.....I just forget this is a public place sometimes.

[ravenwoman_PREV (deleted)]

`LOL I dunno.. IS it? Seems nobody reads this thing... seems kinda private to me LOL

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` Ravenwoman is right Plainsgirl. THere is no reason or need to apologise. We do have a right to speak freely. I do not think you caused any sort of division, just got people talking and thinking. It seems that this is a sore subject to a lot of people. As far as expectations and focusing on the physical. Sometimes I feel that way too, that I'm being looked at that way as well, not just physicaly but also in my words. Maybe I'm seen as too strong, when it's just that I know what I want in a man, relationship and life in general, or maybe I'm veiwed as a wannabe when it's simply that I'm being honest with myself and anyone else to reads my ad. Anyway Ravenwoman you are not a prude, you want those monents to be special, to have meaning not cheapened by exposeing yourself to strangers. I think a lot of people as well as me want the same magical, special moments, just that are behind closed doors. It's not wrong to not want to exhibit yourself. I think the way things are at the moment though, we question ourselves when we see we're only a handful of people not thrusting their b--bs, or butt at everyone and everything. Even if I had the body to do that, I still don't think I would. As do I ravenwoman. I want to be seen as a fellow human, I want to take time to get to know the person, and have them take the time to get to know, and want to grow old with me. Not look me over, checking for flaws as if I were a horse he were thinking of buying. I wish we all could start looking past the physical and start looking at what matters. A person's, heart, spirit, mind and character. Beauty fades, b--bs, abs of steel, and butts sag, but a person's heart, spirit mind, and character are a constant. They are where true beauty lies.

[ravenwoman_PREV (deleted)]

`AMEN horses AMEN... I hear a lot of compliments on my face.. but man I am so much MORE than just a face.... sigh

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`It's good hear someone agree with that statment. Anyway, those compliments are well founded, but you are more than just a face. As we all are. Someday, someone is going to look beyond those so called attractive features or less than perfect ones, and really like us for who and what we are on the inside. Hopefully that someday is today or tomorrow, but if it's next month or next year, that's ok.

[ravenwoman_PREV (deleted)]

`yep... I want to take my time and really get to know people before I get serious... the tendency is to want to get serious fast but I know it wont work... ah well... live and learn

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`I understand that. You're right the tendency for many people, is to get into things way to fast. A lot of times speed ends in disaster. Slow and steady often wins in the end. That's a good way to look at it Ravenwoman. My mistakes have only served to show me what I want and what I don't. What I'll tolerate, and what the deal breakers are.

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`Hey, I'm go'na put a different angle on it, 'cause this morning it all seems kinda funny. You know why?
Whenever I see human female b--bs (or male man b--bs to be fair) getting heaps of attention, it always makes me laugh, because of the fact that every female animal has them! MAMMARY GLANDS! there I said it.
Yes cats and dogs have little ones like flat chested women. The great apes have medium sized ones like medium size women, and dairy cows have huge UDDERS like big breasted women.
They all have one thing in common, they are mammary glands for producing MILK! That is why it always makes me laugh, that immage of a cows udder being sexy.
Having said that, I may be a straight female but in all honesty even I can't stop looking at womens' b--bs when they're on display right there in front of me. Even at my work where people are supposed to dress appropriately, some ladies are just comfortable 'flashin' em', and I have to force my eyes to not look there.
It's a bit like when someone has an abnormal mark or giant zit on their face, it's just human nature to look.
Personally I don't like the kind of attention that overtly s----l dressing brings with it, or the kind of men it attracts (been there, experimented with that when I was younger).
But it's like, EACH TO THEIR OWN, what you put out you attract back to a degree, water finding it's level. And we can all say 'no thanks' if we do attract something/someone that doesn't feel good.
In a nut shell 'yes' to all of your comments, I hear where you're all coming from, just thought I'd throw in yet another perspective.
It can be a bit sad or a bit funny, this morning I see it as a bit funny, (and when I'm in a dark place, well that's a whole other story, best not go there).

Plainsgirl good on you for saying what you thought, though I can understand your having doubts about saying too much, I do that all the time myself, it comes with the territory of being open with your thoughts. Thing is, as long as there is no malice intended, which there quite obviously wasn't', we just can't aim to please all of the people all of the time, otherwise no one would ever speak ever!! As I say this I realise that to be fair, the other party also has a right to freely express who they are, without attempting to achieve the impossible of pleasing all of the people all of the time.


I think this vaguely related quote (it involves cows udders!) is funny (being a vego) Of course I risk being the only one that thinks so, but I can handle it, so feel free NOT to laugh as well.

'Isn't it weird that we drink milk, stuff designed to nourish baby cows? How did that happen?
Did some cattleman once say, "Oh man, I can't wait till them calves are done so I can get me a hit of that stuff." '
(Seinfeld)

[ravenwoman_PREV (deleted)]

`LOL cello that was GREAT!!! Thank you!!!!!

[plainsgirl_PREV (deleted)]

`Again..I don't want people to get me wrong..I wasn't taking back what I said or feeling I had no right to say it...the problem I had was that a guy wrote and had felt, it seems, somewhat attacked as a male. That really bothered me because that was not at all my intention. My intention was basically to say "what the f**k" to some of these women and maybe wake them up to the ridiculousness of flashing their utters to catch a native man they had supposedly dreamed about (probably after reading a Harlequin Romance) and calling it Spiritual!! And a "watch-out" this is cyber-space..who's attention are you really catching?? ..That was all I was talking about and I sure do not feel any desire to attack men at all. But I appreciate so much you and Ravenswomen and Horse06 feeling the need to support me if what I said made you feel like I felt likeI hadn't a right to a voice....you really ARE sweet women. In fact one of the best surprises on this site has been some of he frienships I've made with some of you women!! I AM so glad that my breasts are small enough to sit behind this computer. See ya Girls!!

[johnmarlon (deleted)]

Usually those that you speak of here are defining themselves immediatly through their words or photos. I see it as a large part of them already layed out on the table, they are in a way telling us a part of who they are. Better to have them lay it out on the table then have someone find out later aye? I've found instances where I didn't like certain things or photos as I browsed about reading. In the end I figure that those who are attracted to that sort of thing deserve what they get, kind of like what cello said.

There's not much that can be done except to let people be who they are. From my point of view I think it better to not let it get to me. I think it's good to think about why things bother me and then find a solution to my thoughts about it in a positive way.

Mainstream culture is a sad thing, fully agree with that.

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ravenwoman - good to see you laugh

plainsgirl - I can't send email because of OS block

johnmarlon - you make some very good points, spot on!

[ravenwoman_PREV (deleted)]

`johnmarlon well said!! However... it does still put me off..... of course they arent out to attract me LOL