Why are people too concerned with what is on the outside?

[lilmissmorbid]

I have been on this site now a whole month and have noticed a few things that are just getting to me a little, this title above being one of them. Why are people so concerned about the minimal details, the nit picking stuff? Most profiles on here HAVE to mention that they are 50% this, 25% that....or maybe 100% or not even 1%.

People are coming across as being only skin deep with no inner depth which I'm finding very sad. Surely what is in your heart is all that matters, what sort of person you are, what you feel is the depth of your being? I'm also finding if your not any mix which is the core of this site then your ridiculed for being a wannabe or your attacked because of your heritage or because of where your from. This site shouldn't be a them and us, it should be a mix of personalities all happy to co-exist with the other. A mix of adults who are willing to learn about each other rather then some rivallery, rather than some argument or war that happened before any of us were born.

Where your heart lies should be all that matters and not what is on the outside. Take a look at me for instance....I'm a goth and I don't deny that but most will only see the outer part and judge me rather then looking at how I tick, what my interests are, my beliefs and principles.

Don't judge a book by it's cover....read the title and look at the inner pages as you will find some very beautiful and wonderful things!!

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`I belong to the 1% club...Which means I don't go along with the masses..I refuse to be led like lambs to the slaughter..I am true to myself and don't worry about others..N.W.A.A

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[lilmissmorbid]

Exactly!! It doesn't matter what people think of you...if your happy deep inside then that's all that matters.

I'm not a number just a normal person with a few little interesting twists in the mix. I'm not attacking people on here it was just something I noticed when looking at profiles. Some are just putting down their heritage rather than their interests and I find there is more to a person than where they came from or not.

[zoupi]

I'm enough right with you Lil with this little difference : It's never happens to you or me to have to prove our quantum of blood to be registered as a "member" of.

Out of the kind of fashion for many peoples to desire being assimilated as Natives today at least for a part, I understand this reflex and/or this pride. Nothing to see with discrimination I believe, just a question of identity.

[lilmissmorbid]

Oh yeah I understand the blood thing but that's the fault of those that were in power from the start and through till now. What I was trying to say is that if your a native american or whichever creed or nation you belong to just say your that person rather then working out fractions and percentages. I'm not denoting anyone for being a native american or a native of canada as what you are does shape you as a person.

My example it back in the 90's when the IRA were in full swing and everyone was going after anyone Irish or with an Irish name (this is pre the witch hunt for muslims). I came underfire just from having an Irish surname...people we seeing that....putting two and two together and coming up with one hundred. Now I have never stepped foot in Ireland my whole life.

I'm proud of having Irish in me and french and now there is some mix of american (though obviously that could be a whole host of origins in all countries including being native american though nothing has been proved). What I'm trying to say is...you can be proud of where your from and who you are....you just don't have to justify it to people because all that matters is that it's unique to you.

Hope that makes sense.....

[zoupi]

I perfectly understand and I repeat, I'm right with this vision of things.

The main game for peoples seems to create matter of separation and division. I can be proud of my own origins and I am but this pride as nothing to see with politic or nationality. My love for my family and my ancestors makes me love their traditions and culture it's something natural but it's never entered to my mind to see me better or bader than peoples with other origins.

I love to learn about other cultures because it's interesting as I like to look at the different physical characteristics of the several races because I see that as other kind of beauty but there is no notion of human value in that.

I'm from Paris but my father was from "Bretagne" (Celts very close to Irland) and my mother was from "Normandie" (very close to English because of historical events). When they married they almost lost all contact with their families because of the hate each side had for the other. It's the kind of stupid things which happens frequently because peoples are raised with some hate without to even remember from where this hate comes

The American history, mostly for the different original Natives Nation, is so complicated and so full of harms that I just try to not translate it with my European mind.

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`I can only speak for myself, I was never raised to look down on another Human Being because their color or culture was different then mine..I wasn't raised Native or Sicilian I was just a Human Being. I was taken from my mom at the age of six and put in an orphanage from there to a foster home, I learned fast that there is bad in all colors not to judge any one because they are black, white, yellow, red, but I can say most of my abuse came NOT from the white,yellow, or black man.It was from the very people that preach we are as one..I find more racism from the "so called Natives" then I find in any others, not saying all are racist, but a lot are.I live in a mixed community and never have I every had a problem with the blacks,other then they don't know what a trash can is.. So this is just my take on life.. We are all the same we all are from the HUMAN RACE!! N.W.A.A.

[lilmissmorbid]

It seems most of the conflict that anyone of the human race faces is all down to the minimalistic few that hold the power. These are the leaders, the presidents and prime ministers of the world. It seems when you mix money, politics and religion together you come out with a fireball that screws up anyone and everyone in it's path no matter how much you hide.

It seems Sir Thomas More had a good idea on how the world should be after writing his book "Utopia" back in 1516 but as we know such a place will never exist no matter how much we wish for it, though the realistic version would be Eutopia. It seem's the world which exists now at which ever level is the opposite form known as Dystopia if we are to follow in the tread of things. However, it's good to see that the few amongst the billions at least try to make a change no matter what conflict is thrown in their faces. They have the confidence not to listen to the masses, to listen within and create a little pocket of happiness.

[johnmarlon (deleted)]

Well, I can understand the frustration one might hold when others place blood quantum or ancestry up. I am never at odds with people that display their ancestry; although, what bothers me is when they do it in a boasting manner or expressing it in a manner that shows a bit more pride than they should when reffering to the blood quantum/ancestry. Most all full bloods have an ancestor who has link to someone non-native. In the days when they put ancestors down for blood quantum every native person was immediatly labeled a full blood regardless of previous ancestors. My teacher told of a story of native women taking any old white men as their head of household when alotted land was being handed out. Having kids and no husband, it was a desperate act for them in those days since a women wasn't allowed to be head of houshold. White men immediatly became full bloods upon signing a paper.

Why do I think it's ok for a blood quantum label?

Enrollment.

[zoupi]

johnmarlon wrote:
Why do I think it's ok for a blood quantum label?

Enrollment.




This notion of "Enrollment" stay strange for me. What about mixed marriages ? and about the children issued of such union ?

[johnmarlon (deleted)]

zoupi wrote: johnmarlon wrote:
Why do I think it's ok for a blood quantum label?

Enrollment.




This notion of "Enrollment" stay strange for me. What about mixed marriages ? and about the children issued of such union ?


Well, it sounds like you have some homework to do eh

Pretty easy to find information on what you ask if you do a search on native blood quantum.

[zoupi]

johnmarlon wrote:


Well, it sounds like you have some homework to do eh

Pretty easy to find information on what you ask if you do a search on native blood quantum.


Ha ! ha ! You're malicious but no, I have no such homework in project ! Remember.. I live in France !
No, my question was not because of a personal interest lol ! It's just that it's difficult for me to figure what is a membership and the exact statute of the Natives inside America nowadays. Even the statute of the reservations is something for a French difficult to really understand because it's not a state inside a Country and I suppose even peoples living inside do not stay closed on themselves and by consequence... can meet peoples being white, black, chineese, latino etc...
Does the membership walks like nationalities ?
If a French marry one "American" he becomes half american and his partner half french. What about the "Indian" statute ?

[zoupi]

`Johnmarlon you made me smile in good manner several times and I have a natural respect for your ideas and thoughs.

Just don't forguet my "old" age which is incompatible with comments you can make with others

[johnmarlon (deleted)]

zoupi wrote: johnmarlon wrote:


Well, it sounds like you have some homework to do eh

Pretty easy to find information on what you ask if you do a search on native blood quantum.


Ha ! ha ! You're malicious but no, I have no such homework in project ! Remember.. I live in France !
No, my question was not because of a personal interest lol ! It's just that it's difficult for me to figure what is a membership and the exact statute of the Natives inside America nowadays. Even the statute of the reservations is something for a French difficult to really understand because it's not a state inside a Country and I suppose even peoples living inside do not stay closed on themselves and by consequence... can meet peoples being white, black, chineese, latino etc...
Does the membership walks like nationalities ?
If a French marry one "American" he becomes half american and his partner half french. What about the "Indian" statute ?



Well legally a person cannot be half american. If a french person marries an american their children are united states citizens regardless of ancestry. Their Identification card doesn't show them being half american or even that they're french. Those american children don't need to worry about american blood quantum.

I think a reservation is considered a type of state just not a foreign state; although, you can possibly requote me on that one since I can't clearly remember my text from class. I think it's supposed to be a special government to government relationship, a ward to a guardian, that is how I remember the text. Anyways, it's confusing lol.

Quote: Does the membership walks like nationalities ?
I'm not sure I understand this sentence.

I think you could understand some stuff if you looked up blood quantum.

Basically it's this:

One half blood marries another half blood and they're from different reservations. Their child should be half blood correct? WRONG, that child is now one quarter because the reservation recognizes only it's own blood, that one parent. Many times, like where I live, there are lots of reservations that are one tribe. Not all those reservations recognize each others bloods despite being of the same tribe. The rules vary from place to place though.

I can understand blood quantum but I can also see the faults in it.