MEMORIES...´the 70 ths

[straighteyes (deleted)]

Our youth and our young adult years have bee placed during the 70 th. We have been the first generations of germans who have been forced by Woodstock and the 68 movement in Germany to feel free! We have been the first rebells without direction and we managed it pretty good!
We were not used to talk to parents or teachers or therapists ( I guess we had none).In our eyes parents were nothing but terrible. We all had to carry out the generation conflict.
We were the first to be forced to learn english at school. We were so proud of it. We started to paint our school-bags and wrote curious stuff on it. "Make peace not war" , we had no idea what that was for but to us it sounded pretty cool. And with some peace stickers on our jeans jackets we belonged to the vips.
In school we learned that Americans have to be our heroes, the Russians the evilst enemy a country can have.Most of us never met one in that part of our life.We were told that students and RAF are evil, because they questioned german history after World War II. No good! We learned America had to save the world again in a country called Vietnam We had no idea where that could be and never heard of that enemies before. But in our brainwashed school lessons we had to learn: America is full of heroes.We saw Napalm and the first of us started to realize that war is still dirty..and that our heroes had just started to destroy their heroism by themselves.
We listened to cool music: CCR, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and my favorite : REDBONE.They looked so cool with their strange clothes and colours and LONG HAIR. Our parents were shocked by the appearance of that "wild ones". When we had trouble with them and wanted to see them fall apart, we declared that one day we would go out and merry one of this long - haired wild ones.
Our colours were simple: orange, brown and olive gree, we tried to walk on high heels and not to break our neck. Our jeans looked like tipis.The prefered furniture of our parents: German oak. We prefered coloured blankets, our furnitures have been transport boxes of tea and oranges, our bed just a mattress.
We were forced by Woodstock "naked is normal" and we had to live free ------ity. We started to take pills against pregnancy to enjoy our new freedom, but we needed Bagwhan to learn how to do it, because we were all scared to death, men and women, boys and girls. Most of us were hopeless overtaxed by this freedom and so we started to avoid ---.

Most of us smoke grass to get sophisticated, we all did our best in discussions, while the smoke was hanging deep in the room. Guess we had no idea what we have been talking about.

Our old cars were all to be found at the beach at night, candles burning on the dashboards, for the joints and the quickies. Huge fires were burning outside, some people played guitars( we were all sure that they knew what they were doing). And with lots of sangria we did our best in singing english lyrics, not used to the language we might have sound like h---- elks.

We loved to travel and we had to find out, that nobody liked us. Germans were just aweful abroad. We were forced to learn that we have to pay for the sins of our grandparents.

What a great time!



straighteyes

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`Some of those memories are good, but no one should ever have to pay for the sins of their ancestors! I believe that is what keeps people stuck in their misery also known as "WHOA IS ME BLUES"
I myself have great respect for the German people. Such a small country almost took over the world!!!

[straighteyes (deleted)]

`Yes hugger, nobody should have to pay. But on the other hand this has been the aspect to think about what had happened and reason to requestion the policy after Worldwar II. It is a fact that germans run around in the world to kill, and create other cruelties. There has been a track where ever they appeared. To stay abroad and to feel their pain and hate makes us been able to understand their feelings. That´s why young people in Germany started to get angry in the late 60th. They saw german history and how americans supported old nazis into all directions, after a few years many of them had a good life abroad, while not so important people went to jail and death ( I do not say that they have been innocent, and the former mighty ones who have not been useful to other States went there too). But most of the german politicians after World WarII have been old Nazis, established by the Americans. We still have the Nazi desease over here and in all countries around us. You have the same problems in the States. The only thing you can do is going around and try to make people aware that you are not like that. Don´t get me wrong, we are not devote to our history, we have always been a very proud and strong nation but we are critical about our history and we have never been people carrying a muzzle...lol. We do not deny the crimes of our grandparents..but they have been their crimes not ours. Well, hugger, and when I look at Israel today.....does old suffer give a state the right to act like that? We are all humen nations and it seems all of us have our "dark nights".

[zoupi]

That's always the same question. Of course it's a good thing to teach to the following generations the history of their Nations good or bad and to push them to reflec on this but it's a big error to take each person of a Nation being responsible of the acts decided by its government.

Not only the Germany has a responsability in the second world war. The attitude of the other countries after the first one is not negligible. The famous and too current abuse of power of the winner against the losing. The so unfortunatly celebre Hitler will not have meet a so big succes in his political carrier if the peoples of Germany would have not been pushing toward misery and constantly humiliated by the Countries they came in conflict against during the first mondial war.

Abuse of power can only lead to revolt and it's well what happened but nobody could know at what point the little brown with moustache was crazy and full of hate.

My mother was from Normandie, near to the beachs of the beaching and most of the deads have been killed by the Englishs or the Americans. Many raps, steals and others exactions have been made by the American soldiers during this time but it's something you will not find inside books of history. In another hand many of the simple soldiers of the German army were just men being here out of their choice and missing of their wives and children, that why they gave all their chocolat to the French children like my mother. They were as afraid as the French by the Nazis.

All that don't change the horror commit by the Germany with the extermination's camps and don't change the decisive help USA gave to Europeans even if the motivation was more economic than human. These facts only help to reflect more deeper and not only stay settled in one vision of the events.

[straighteyes (deleted)]

Zoupi the topic has been " My memories" and not a report on historical facts or about who killed more or more or about the feelings of soldiers. If I would have the intention to do that, I wouldn´t have forgotten the Russians and their cruelties or their feelings etc. This was about my memories and when you aren´t able to respect this, stay away with your lectures or your comments on what I should focus on. I am not stupid and I am able to read books and look for informations beside the "official" ones and I guess most of the people on this site are able to do so.

straighteyes

[zoupi]

straighteyes wrote: Zoupi the topic has been " My memories". This was about my memories and when you aren´t able to respect this, stay away with your lectures or your comments on what I should focus on. I am not stupid and I am able to read books and look for informations beside the "official" ones and I guess most of the people on this site are able to do so.

straighteyes

Oh yes, the topic was "YOUR memories", to put on the same bag than YOUR peremptory's judgments and YOUR conviction to be the wiser, the stronger, the finer and the most spiritual.
Except the fact you seems to particularly love to speak about yourself (What better topic ha ! ha !) we are on a forum and your post involve the second war world what makes me perfectly entitled to express my own opinion and the way peoples from the French side see all that. If you take this as a disrespect you just have a problem. If you find that your life is a bible write a book !
I don't care if you're stupid or not and what you should focus on is without interest for me. YOUR main focus is simple to find : it's YOUR NAVEL !

I always laugh when I see someone write "most of the peoples of this site" or need to use "we" and "us" mostly than I. The peoples of this forum are perfectly able to express their opinions and write their reactions by themselves. The subject is maybe just boring for them since they have well as much to do with their own history.

Zoupi

[straighteyes (deleted)]

Yes Zoupi, I have a good idea. Everybody who wants to post sents a table of contets to you before posting and perpaps an investigation form, you might be the only one to decide who and what is worth to post. Sorry, your poison is not strong enough.

straighteyes

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`I think zoupie made some valid point on what happened during ww2 which really happen from the first war. Germany was giving such limitations that it was only inevitable that a man such as Hitler could rise and control a country.I am sure Zoupie's family suffered greatly not only by the Germans marching through, but the Americans also.
If you look at this post all I see is the same fight, just different races. And so it goes, man will always dislike others that are not the same as them, but if you cut any of us open we all bleed red..

I hope that you two can bury the hatchet (ha ha!) and just try to agree to disagree as I like both of you and this kind of puts me in a strange place..

PEACE, LOVE, AND HARMONY TO YOU BOTH!! N.W.A.A.

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`Although each of the wars of WW2 began for a different reason, it is generally understood that WW2 was started because of Axis aggression.

In Europe, the cause of WW2 could be traced 20 years earlier. At the end of WW1, the Versailles Treaty failed to be an instrument to restore peace as it seemingly served the agenda of depriving Germany of her status as a sovereign nation. Such deprivation, along with the subsequent hyperinflation and global economical depression, set up the grounds for the rise of the Nazi Party. Many scholars note that WW2 might be averted had the Western Allies abandoned the policy of appeasement, which was done in the interest of curbing the expansion of communism. Action committed by the Western Allies might had removed Adolf Hitler from power, hence might possibly prevent the European War from taking place.

SOUNDS FAMILIAR LIKE WHATS GOING ON TODAY!!

[zoupi]

huggeroftrees wrote: `
I hope that you two can bury the hatchet (ha ha!) and just try to agree to disagree as I like both of you and this kind of puts me in a strange place..

PEACE, LOVE, AND HARMONY TO YOU BOTH!! N.W.A.A.




Hello Hugger !
For what concern of mine, you have not to feel you in a strange place. I respect and love you for who you are, your fine spirit, your capacity of reflexion and your good heart, not because of your companies. Plus, I'm not aware of all of them (little secretive lol !).
I think you know I justly will never implicate your Name as "Label" or to try to hide me behind.
Peace, love and harmony have never left me. For peoples who at least take the pain to read correctly the post coming from somebody else than themselves that's clear. Just my English is not always proper and I take advantage of this post to thank you for the few translations I see you make here and there from time to time.

Except the global subject of the second world war there is nothing important inside this exchange of "sweet words".
Where the reflexion can't find its place the humor can replace. Laughter is good for the healt. The kind of sentence like "you're poison is not strong enough" bring me back to my primary school yard what automatically makes me smile. Being able to become sarcastic many funny pictures come to my mind but I will keep them to myself because I know you also have a great sence of humor and don't want to make you laugh whith these bullsh* on pain to make you feel you guilty because of your natural solidarity.

Have a good day my friend and give a nut from me to your skirrel. (No Hugger, don't take advantage of what I said. In spite of your angers, I only speak of the nuts growing in the trees lol !)