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bikaagi wrote: Age is truly a number that means nothing more than the number of years you have spent on earth.
Yes, I agree. I know in the Lakota world, they did not have numbered years like the modern world, because what was important is how you are living your life, and not your actual "age". And in their extended family system, you were taught by many people and not just your mother and father. This resulted in you to develop a community perspective, rather than the individualistic perspective of the modern "civilized" world. I think any calendar system subconsciously gets a person to limit himself/herself. It probably contributes to midlife crises, as well. Its just my opinion
bikaagi wrote: What matters above age is whether you've found love or not. And if you do find love, everything else becomes purely unimportant.
I believe that first you have to love yourself so you know yourself. And then you know what to look for
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loveternal
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I want reiterate some things that a very wise Lakota man on this site said earlier:
chosnazzy wrote: .... a "real" traditional native man does not have to go around broadcasting it. Instead, he "lives" it. Usually guys who have a need to "broadcast" themselves like that have some kind of insecurity and/or inferiority complex.
.... one of the Lakota Virtues is Wahwala, which is "Humility". In Lakota reality, leaders who are either a holy person, a medicine person, a chief or any kind of leader of a society, consider themselves as servants to and for the people. They never see themselves as above the people, and they do their best to carry themselves in that manner, as well.
When a Lakota person talks about how many ceremonies he has completed and about his pipe, he is dishonoring the sacredness of those things because that is not meant for the public. That is between him and that which is sacred, as that is part of what makes it sacred. So to communicate openly about that in any public forum is to disrespect it.
When a real traditional Lakota person gets up to make a speech, he will introduce himself by including the extended families he is from. And then he will apologize to any people there who are older and wiser than himself. Then he will state his message. And after he completes his message, he will say he is "Ikce Wicasa", a common man, and that that is all he has to say. He will not say he is "Lakota", he will say "Ikce Wicasa", which also means "human man". He will not say who he descended from or if there are medicine men in his family. And he will not say he has a pipe or how many ceremonies he has done, because he respects the sacredness of those things. And the public does not need to know that information.
Sadly, in today's Lakota world, you see a lot of men using these Iktomi concepts, such as the appeal to authority fallacy to try to get the people to elevate them above everyone. The result is that they violate the Lakota Virtue of Humility by dishonoring and disrespecting their ancestors and that which is sacred, such as the pipe and the ceremonies.
There is a different older guy from a non-Lakota tribe on this site who has been communicating with me. And every word this non-Lakota man has said to me is in total violation of what Lakota people call "Wahwala" (Humility). All this non-Lakota man does is brag about himself and how many ceremonies he has attended. He feels a need to broadcast this to every woman with whom he communicates. Incidentally, this non-Lakota man is in his 50's, which proves that wisdom does not come with age. Older does not always mean better. I prefer the Lakota way, which "chosnazzy" speaks about.
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